<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><oembed><version><![CDATA[1.0]]></version><provider_name><![CDATA[Random Critical Analysis]]></provider_name><provider_url><![CDATA[https://randomcriticalanalysis.wordpress.com]]></provider_url><author_name><![CDATA[rcafdm]]></author_name><author_url><![CDATA[https://randomcriticalanalysis.wordpress.com/author/rcafdm/]]></author_url><title><![CDATA[More silliness related to corporate&nbsp;profits]]></title><type><![CDATA[link]]></type><html><![CDATA[<p>I was pointed to this <a href="http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc120402.htm" target="_blank">work by Hussman</a> through <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/fiscal-cliff-connection-between-corporate-profits-and-deficits-2012-10" target="_blank">Business Insider</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/wmc120402b1.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-347" title="wmc120402b" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/wmc120402b1.gif?w=500&#038;h=413" alt="" width="500" height="413" /></a></p>
<p>The implication here is that total dissaving is not only strongly correlated with corporate profits, but is directly causative.</p>
<p>Although he doesn&#8217;t fully specify this methods, it&#8217;s obvious that Corporate Profits is after-tax corporate profits (including foreign profits) and I was able to approximate his results using this <a href="http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=cax" target="_blank">FRED2 link</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/updated_chart_with_adj.png"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-355" title="updated_chart_with_adj" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/updated_chart_with_adj.png?w=1024&#038;h=619" alt="" width="1024" height="619" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Update: I re-charted this using the NIPA corporate profits inventory &amp; capital adjusted data that he clearly used (CPROFIT).  It doesn&#8217;t really change the outcome here, but it matches his chart more precisely.</strong></p>
<p>Corporate profits is, in other words, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">after-tax</span> and including foreign profits.</p>
<p>Savings is approximately personal savings (PSAVE) + the Federal deficit/surplus (FGRECPT-FGEXPND) (multiplied by -1 to match to shape of the profit line)</p>
<p><strong>There are many issues with this analysis</strong></p>
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<p>1: By showing <span style="text-decoration:underline;">after-tax</span> profits he&#8217;s exposing his analysis to changes in the tax regime and business reporting (as I&#8217;ve alluded to in prior posts).   The corporate taxes paid has direct mechanical effect on after-tax profits and the tax regime has changed.  Further, in this most recent recession we have actually cut corporate taxes in the short term by allowing businesses to accelerate deprecation more rapidly.</p>
<p>2: Including foreign profits in this discussion also obscures the role that deficit spending (or consumer dissaving) might be playing here.</p>
<p>3: Cutting it off at 1970 obscures what is obviously a much worse correlation in earlier years, i.e., when savings were much higher and corporate profits were much higher.</p>
<p>4: Lagging quarterly data by a full year just doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Same method, i.e., 4Q lead, using PRE-tax profits</span></p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/pretax_profits_vs_savings.png"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-342" title="pretax_profits_vs_savings" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/pretax_profits_vs_savings.png?w=1024&#038;h=752" alt="" width="1024" height="752" /></a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Same method over a longer time span (1947-2011)</span></p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/cprofit_longer.png"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-348" title="cprofit_longer" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/cprofit_longer.png?w=1024&#038;h=500" alt="" width="1024" height="500" /></a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Scatter chart savings vs after-tax</span></p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/savings_after_tax_fixed.png"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-359" title="savings_after_tax_fixed" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/savings_after_tax_fixed.png?w=1024&#038;h=530" alt="" width="1024" height="530" /></a></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Scatter chart: savings vs pre-tax profits</span></p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/pretax-correlation.png"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-339" title="pretax-correlation" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/pretax-correlation.png?w=1024&#038;h=655" alt="" width="1024" height="655" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><em><strong>Observe: When you remove taxation from the equation the slope and correlation virtually disappears.</strong></em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">After tax profits vs Corporate Profits </span></p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/tax-matters.png"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-360" title="tax-matters" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/tax-matters.png?w=1024&#038;h=516" alt="" width="1024" height="516" /></a></p>
<p><strong>It&#8217;s almost as-if corporate taxes actually has a direct impact on after-tax profits (and thus accounts for most of this apparent correlation)!  Who would have thought???</strong></p>
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<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/cprofit_stacked.png"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-358" title="cprofit_stacked" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/cprofit_stacked.png?w=1024&#038;h=457" alt="" width="1024" height="457" /></a></p>
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<p><em>Note: This includes both foreign and S-Corporation profits.</em></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Comparing <em>domestic pre-tax</em> profits with savings  (notice: pre-tax corporate profits are NOT at record highs)</span></p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/domestic_profits_vs_savings_lchart.png"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-346" title="domestic_profits_vs_savings_lchart" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/domestic_profits_vs_savings_lchart.png?w=1024&#038;h=480" alt="" width="1024" height="480" /></a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Quick Scatter chart with annual domestic corporate profits vs savings (this is annual, not quarterly, since I don&#8217;t have historic quarterly data)</span></p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/domestic_profits_savings_correlation.png"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-345" title="domestic_profits_savings_correlation" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/domestic_profits_savings_correlation.png?w=1024&#038;h=798" alt="" width="1024" height="798" /></a></p>
<p><strong>If anything, this would suggest that higher savings are correlated with higher profits.</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/cbo_corporate_rates.jpg"><img class="aligncenter" title="cbo_corporate_rates" src="https://randomcriticalanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/cbo_corporate_rates.jpg?w=500&#038;h=342" alt="" width="500" height="342" /></a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">I am including the CBO chart to show that:</span></p>
<p>1: the taxation of domestic corporate profits hasn&#8217;t changed that much. If anything, this under-states the recent  burden, relative to the the 80s, since a large and growing share of profits are being taxed at the individual level (S-Corporations), i.e., they are being factored in the denominator (profits) but not the numerator (corporate taxes paid).</p>
<p>2: my analysis of the NIPA corporate profit data matches their analysis almost exactly for the period they produced this data.</p>
<p>In short, the analysis conducted by BI and company is extremely misleading.  Deficit spending and dissaving may have some short term stimulative impact, but it&#8217;s ultimately a net negative.  These funds will have to be repaid in the future, both by tax payers and individual consumers, which will <span style="text-decoration:underline;">slow</span> future economic growth.</p>
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