<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><oembed><version><![CDATA[1.0]]></version><provider_name><![CDATA[The Dish]]></provider_name><provider_url><![CDATA[http://dish.andrewsullivan.com]]></provider_url><author_name><![CDATA[Andrew Sullivan]]></author_name><author_url><![CDATA[https://dish.andrewsullivan.com/author/sullydish/]]></author_url><title><![CDATA[How The Nazis Defended &#8220;Enhanced Interrogation&#8221;]]></title><type><![CDATA[link]]></type><html><![CDATA[Hint: the ticking time-bomb exception, and the need for better intelligence about an insurgency - the same defense as the GOP establishment has used for exactly the same techniques - hypothermia, stress positions, sensory deprivation, etc. - in the US and Iraq. The terms and specific methods used are the same for the Gestapo's &quot;<em>Verschaerfte Vernehmung</em>,&quot; &quot;Third Degree,&quot; and Bush's &quot;enhanced interrogation.&quot; Of course, we also learn from the documents that</p><blockquote><p>The GESTAPO in general believed that other methods of interrogation, such as playing off political factions against each other, were much more effective than third degree methods. </p></blockquote><p>So Bush has more faith in torture than the Gestapo did. A reader writes:</p><blockquote><p>I read with great interest your <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html">19 May post</a> about the Gestapo directive concerning &quot;enhanced interrogation techniques&quot;. I gather that you found the document through a 1948 Norway trial. However, the same directive seems to have also been in evidence at Nuremberg (though there the Tribunal apparently translated the term as &quot;the Third Degree&quot;). At Nuremberg it was used as part of the case against the Gestapo in seeking to have the Gestapo declared to be a criminal organization by the Tribunal. Interestingly, a <a href="http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/naeve.htm">report was filed</a> in the Nuremberg proceedings in which a Colonel Neave, acting under Commission from the Tribunal, reported the evidence of witnesses for the defense of the organizations. It is this report that draws the direct line back to the &quot;ticking bomb exception&quot;. The passage that sets out the Gestapo's defense of the &quot;Third Degree&quot; measures and authorization is <a href="http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/naeve.htm">as follows</a> (pp. 55-56):</p><blockquote><p>&quot;V. DEFENSE OF THE GESTAPO AGAINST CHARGES OF BRUTALITY AND THIRD DEGREE INTERROGATIONS]]></html><thumbnail_url><![CDATA[https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/muellermemooriginal1.jpg?fit=440%2C330]]></thumbnail_url><thumbnail_width><![CDATA[440]]></thumbnail_width><thumbnail_height><![CDATA[146]]></thumbnail_height></oembed>