<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><oembed><version><![CDATA[1.0]]></version><provider_name><![CDATA[The Dish]]></provider_name><provider_url><![CDATA[http://dish.andrewsullivan.com]]></provider_url><author_name><![CDATA[Andrew Sullivan]]></author_name><author_url><![CDATA[https://dish.andrewsullivan.com/author/sullydish/]]></author_url><title><![CDATA[What&#8217;s So Wrong With &#8220;Sucks&#8221;? Ctd]]></title><type><![CDATA[link]]></type><html><![CDATA[<p>Many readers pounce on <a href="http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/11/25/whats-so-wrong-with-sucks/" target="_blank">this post</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>If your reader concerned about the use of &#8220;sucks&#8221; worries that he sounds like a queer studies major, then his worries are founded. By his logic, we should think about ceasing to use &#8220;jerk&#8221; (from the fuller &#8220;don&#8217;t be such a jerk-off!&#8221;). The British &#8220;tosser&#8221; has to go too. So does &#8220;ass-kisser&#8221;, which seems a perfect description of someone who sucks up to the boss &#8211; but &#8216;&#8221;suck up&#8221; probably has to go too, as well as &#8220;brown-noser&#8221; obviously. More generally, we should probably consider dropping &#8220;fuck&#8221; and its infinite permutations (certainly &#8220;this fucking sucks&#8221;), for we don&#8217;t want to suggest that there is anything wrong with fucking. Or are we allowed to keep &#8220;motherfucker&#8221; because we still disapprove of incest? What about &#8220;asshole&#8221; &#8211; isn&#8217;t that just a body part like all the others? Does the use of &#8220;asshole&#8221; as an insult display a certain puritanical revulsion at the body? I could go on indefinitely &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Another:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve never considered &#8220;sucks&#8221; &#8211; as in &#8220;this broccoli sucks&#8221; &#8211; to be referring to a sex act. To me, it means the thing in question sucks the joy out of the situation. &#8220;This broccoli sucks the joy out of eating.&#8221;  Nothing derogatory about it.  Maybe it&#8217;s a guy thing to automatically jump to the sexual?</p></blockquote>
<p>Another:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Sucks&#8221; can actually be traced back to a phrase common among farmers during the Great Depression, who would remark that something &#8220;sucks hind tit.&#8221; This is because pigs, dogs, etc feed from their mothers, and from the perspective of the farmers the rear one was the least desirable (I&#8217;m not sure if there&#8217;s a reason for that, or just the general proximity to the rear end of the animal).  From there, the phrase was shortened and has certainly be considered low and offensive for a long time.  But that might speak more to the dirty minds of the censors than those who actually came up with the term.</p></blockquote>
<p>Several more:</p>
<blockquote><p>A quick Google search reveals that there is an ongoing debate as to the origin of the word.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote><p>According to the Urban Dictionary, it comes from jazz musicians.  A great musician on the horn could really &#8220;blow.&#8221;  Someone who was horrible sounded like they were &#8220;sucking&#8221; on the horn.  A recent defense of the word on <em>Slate</em> <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2006/08/suck_it_up.html">offered other sources</a>, like farmers using the phrase &#8220;sucks hind teat&#8221; or British schoolchildren using &#8220;sucks to you&#8221; with no sexual connotation. And even if it does have a sexual origin, who cares at this point?  Your reader should just suck it up and let it be.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another:</p>
<blockquote><p>Back when I was a kid, I was able to convince my very skeptical father that I should be allowed to wear a &#8220;Boston Sucks&#8221; T-shirt (I&#8217;ve been a lifelong Yankees fan) because it was plausibly &#8220;Boston Sucks Eggs&#8221; rather than &#8220;Boston Sucks Shit&#8221;, which was how he interpreted it.  I seem to remember &#8220;Go suck eggs&#8221; was a relatively common insult (the functional if less inflammatory equivalent of &#8220;Eat shit and die&#8221;), even showing up in cartoons. I&#8217;m pretty convinced that that&#8217;s the etymological line that leads to everything sucking these days.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1986 or &#8217;87, when I was a naive 6th-grader (maybe 7th), on the first day of class my science teacher laid down the rules.  She was a tough, progressive, feminist, four-Swatch-on-one-wrist-wearing bitch. Not butch, but maybe a lesbian &#8211; I don&#8217;t know.  I liked her right away.  In addition to saying things like, &#8220;This classroom is not a democracy, it is a monarchy, and I am the monarch,&#8221; she also said:</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;">I will not tolerate the phrase &#8220;you suck.&#8221;  Do you know where that term comes from?  It comes from the root word &#8220;<i>cocksucker</i>&#8221; meaning one who sucks cocks, and in no instance is it appropriate in my classroom.  It is derogatory and offensive and will not be tolerated.</p>
<p>Holy Handjobbers!  I&#8217;d never heard such a thing, but boy did it stick with me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another:</p>
<blockquote><p>So we have a word that may or may not have originally referred to a homosexual act and that is usually not used to refer to a homosexual act. I fail to see the problem. Etymology is not destiny. Just because the origin of the term is fellatio does not mean that&#8217;s what it means now.  Lots of words are secretly vulgar. &#8220;<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pencil" target="_blank">Pencil</a>&#8221; shares a root with &#8220;penis&#8221;. &#8220;<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/avocado" target="_blank">Avocado</a>&#8221; is an Aztec word meaning &#8220;testicle&#8221;. &#8220;<a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scumbag?r=75" target="_blank">Scumbag</a>&#8221; means condom. I will give you the pleasure of looking up the etymology of &#8220;<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pumpernickel" target="_blank">pumpernickel</a>&#8221; on your own. Words change. Usage matters more than history.</p>
<p>(I can&#8217;t believe I just spent half an hour researching &#8220;suck&#8221;. This is why I read your blog.)</p></blockquote>
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