<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><oembed><version><![CDATA[1.0]]></version><provider_name><![CDATA[The Dish]]></provider_name><provider_url><![CDATA[http://dish.andrewsullivan.com]]></provider_url><author_name><![CDATA[Andrew Sullivan]]></author_name><author_url><![CDATA[https://dish.andrewsullivan.com/author/sullydish/]]></author_url><title><![CDATA[For Israel, There’s No Such Thing As An Innocent Gazan,&nbsp;Ctd]]></title><type><![CDATA[link]]></type><html><![CDATA[<p>Noam Sheizaf <a href="http://972mag.com/why-do-palestinians-continue-to-support-hamas-despite-such-devastating-loses/94080/" target="_blank">engages</a> Israeli incredulity at why Gazans support Hamas, and explains why it&#8217;s not beyond the pale for them to do so:</p>
<blockquote><p>The people of Gaza support Hamas in its war against Israel because they perceive it to be part of their war of independence. &#8230; Israelis, both left and right, are wrong to assume that Hamas is a dictatorship fighting Israel against its people’s will. Hamas is <a href="https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/452430228.jpg"><img data-attachment-id="252318" data-permalink="https://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/07/20/the-deadliest-day-yet/shujaya-neighborhood-of-gaza-full-of-dead-bodies/" data-orig-file="https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/452430228.jpg" data-orig-size="4288,2848" data-comments-opened="0" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;3.5&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;Getty Images&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;NIKON D90&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;GAZA CITY, GAZA - JULY 20:  Paramedic team and few journalists access to the Shujaya neighborhood of Gaza during the two-hour humanitarian ceasefire proposal from the International Committee of the Red Cross which was accepted by Israel, July 20,2014. People frantically attempted to to pick up the dead and the wounded in the blood strewn area while plumes of smoke from the recent Israeli shelling lingered in the air. The latest Palestinian fatalities figures reached 425 in the unrelenting Israeli air and naval bombardment of the blockaded Gaza Strip since July 7. (Photo by Mahmood Bassam\/Anadolu Agency\/Getty Images)&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1405874210&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;2014 Anadolu Agency&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;24&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;200&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.0008&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Shujaya neighborhood of Gaza full of dead bodies&quot;}" data-image-title="Shujaya neighborhood of Gaza full of dead bodies" data-image-description="&lt;p&gt;GAZA CITY, GAZA &#8211; JULY 20:  Paramedic team and few journalists access to the Shujaya neighborhood of Gaza during the two-hour humanitarian ceasefire proposal from the International Committee of the Red Cross which was accepted by Israel, July 20,2014. People frantically attempted to to pick up the dead and the wounded in the blood strewn area while plumes of smoke from the recent Israeli shelling lingered in the air. The latest Palestinian fatalities figures reached 425 in the unrelenting Israeli air and naval bombardment of the blockaded Gaza Strip since July 7. (Photo by Mahmood Bassam/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images)&lt;/p&gt;
" data-medium-file="https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/452430228.jpg?w=300&#038;h=199" data-large-file="https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/452430228.jpg?w=1024" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-252318" src="https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/452430228.jpg?w=300&#038;h=199" alt="Shujaya neighborhood of Gaza full of dead bodies" width="300" height="199" srcset="https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/452430228.jpg?w=300&amp;h=199 300w, https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/452430228.jpg?w=600&amp;h=398 600w, https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/452430228.jpg?w=150&amp;h=100 150w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a>indeed a dictatorship, and there are many Palestinians who would gladly see it fall, but not at this moment in time. Right now I have no doubt that most Palestinians support the attacks on IDF soldiers entering Gaza; they support kidnapping as means to release their prisoners (whom they see as prisoners of war) and the unpleasant fact is that most of them, I believe, support firing rockets at Israel.</p>
<p>“If we had planes and tanks to fight the IDF, we wouldn’t need to fire rockets,” is a sentence I have heard more than once. As an Israeli, it is unpleasant for me to hear, but one needs to at least try and understand what lies behind such a position. What is certain is that bombing Gaza will not change their minds. On the contrary.</p></blockquote>
<p>Meanwhile, Francesca Albanese wonders why the Hamas 10-year peace proposal has been greeted with <a href="http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/deafening-silence-proposal.html" target="_blank">deafening international silence</a>. And Jamelle Bouie <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/07/thane_rosenbaum_s_wall_street_journal_op_ed_this_new_york_university_professor.html">demolishes</a> Thane Rosenbaum’s <a href="http://online.wsj.com/articles/thane-rosenbaum-civilian-casualties-in-gaza-1405970362" target="_blank">WSJ op-ed</a>, which rehashes the argument that Gazan civilians are <a href="http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/07/22/for-israel-theres-no-such-thing-as-an-innocent-palestinian/">legitimate targets</a> because they voted for Hamas and harbor militants in their homes and neighborhoods:</p>
<blockquote><p>For comparison’s sake, here’s Osama Bin Laden <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver" target="_blank">attempt</a> to justify the Sept. 11 attacks:</p></blockquote>
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<p style="padding-left:30px;">[T]he American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.</p>
<p>For both Rosenbaum and Bin Laden, the situation is straightforward: Because a majority of Gazans/Americans voted for leaders who used violence or waged war against Israelis/Muslims, both have forfeited their claim to noncombatant status. After all, if they wanted to avoid conflict, they wouldn’t have elected those people in the first place. If you recoil from this logic, your head is in the right place.</p></blockquote>
<p>(Photo: People frantically attempted to to pick up the dead and the wounded in the blood strewn area while plumes of smoke from the recent Israeli shelling lingered in the air on July 20. By Mahmood Bassam/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images.)</p>
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