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<p><span class="label">Democracy Now </span><span class="date">January 19, 2018</span></p>
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<p>As President Trump completes his first year in office, activists in cities across the country will hold mass protests Saturday on the first anniversary of the historic Women’s March. This comes as a slew of lawmakers have joined members of the Black Congressional Caucus in backing a resolution to censure President Trump over his racist comments in which the president reportedly used an expletive to refer to African nations, El Salvador and Haiti. Several Democratic lawmakers say they will also skip the State of the Union address on January 30 over Trump’s racist remarks. Meanwhile, Trump himself denies being a racist, claiming on Sunday that he is “the least racist person.” To discuss Trump’s first year in office, the direction of the Democratic Party and where racial justice movements go from here, we are joined by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, assistant professor of African American studies at Princeton University. She is the author of “From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation” and editor of a new collection of essays titled “How We Get Free: Black Feminism and the Combahee River Collective.”</p>
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<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> As President Trump completes his first year in office, activists in cities across the country will hold mass protests Saturday on the first anniversary of the historic Women’s March. This comes as a slew of lawmakers have joined members of the Black Congressional Caucus in backing a resolution to censure President Trump over his racist comments in which the president reportedly used an expletive to refer to African nations, El Salvador and Haiti. Several Democratic lawmakers say they’ll also skip the State of the Union address January 30th over Trump’s racist remarks, calling countries like Haiti, Salvador and the continent of Africa “s—holes.” Meanwhile, Trump himself denies being a racist, claiming on Sunday he is, quote, “the least racist person.”</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><span class="caps">PRESIDENT</span> <span class="caps">DONALD</span> <span class="caps">TRUMP</span>:</strong> No, no, I’m not a racist. I am the least racist person you have ever interviewed. That, I can tell you.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> That was President Trump speaking to reporters Sunday. Yet, over the last year, Trump has repeatedly faced national and international condemnation over his comments and actions. Trump has tried several times to ban citizens of some majority-Muslim nations from entering the U.S., executive orders that many have called Muslim bans. The president refused to condemn the deadly white supremacist violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August, in which Ku Klux Klan members and other far-right extremists attacked anti-racist counterprotesters, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer. Instead, Trump blamed both sides for the attacks and claimed there were, quote, “very fine people” among the white nationalists. Trump has repeatedly attacked African-American <span class="caps">NFL</span> players who take the knee during the national anthem before games to protest racial injustice and police brutality. And Trump has endorsed and campaigned for the racist, xenophobic, homophobic Alabama Republican Senate candidate, the pedophile Roy Moore, who was defeated, in large part, by black women voters. Trump pardoned the notorious racist former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has now declared he’s running for U.S. Senate in Arizona. He’s repeatedly retweeted white nationalists. And Trump has also repeatedly insulted Native Americans, including attempting to use Pocahontas as a racial slur to insult Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, who says her family is part Cherokee. Among the times Trump tried to use Pocahontas’s name as a racial slur was during a White House ceremony honoring Navajo code talkers, Native Americans who served in the Marines during World War II and used the Navajo language in order to transmit encoded information. Trump and his Justice Department, led by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, have also pushed policies that seek to roll back years of civil rights gains, including limiting federal oversight of police departments with a history of civil rights violations, and ramping up the war on drugs. Well, the list goes on.</p>
<p>To discuss Trump’s first year in office, where racial justice movements go from here, as well, we’re joined by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, assistant professor of African American studies at Princeton University, author of <em>From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation</em> and editor of a new collection of essays that is titled <em>How We Get Free: Black Feminism and the Combahee River Collective</em>.</p>
<p>Welcome to <em>Democracy Now!</em></p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Thanks, Amy. Very glad to be here.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> We had you on one year ago—</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Yes.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> —almost exactly.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> To the moment.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> We were in Washington, D.C.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> We were broadcasting from public television WHUT’s studios at the historically back college of Howard University.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> A few months later, you would speak at Hampshire College.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Correct.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> And tell us what you said and what happened next.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Well, I gave a commencement speech at Hampshire, in which—you know, it was a 19-minute speech, and to kind of set the context for where the students were and what they were—the world that they were going into, I talked about Trump, for probably all of 30 seconds. But I said what I thought to be true, that the world that they were graduating into was very dangerous, and one of the main factors in that was because the president of the United States, Donald Trump, was a racist, sexist megalomaniac.</p>
<p>Today, especially given the list of examples that you just went through, it seems ludicrous that I would be attacked by Fox News, receive hate mail, death threats, for making what is so clear and, to me, such an obvious, obvious statement. And I think that, you know, the fallout from that, with the right, was kind of a prelude to an attack on academics, an attack on radicals, for really saying the truth about the nature of this administration.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> You have talked about President Trump, white supremacy and the precedent set by this president, going back to Woodrow Wilson. Interesting, because you teach at Princeton University—</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Right.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> —where the Woodrow Wilson School is. Can you talk more about that?</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Well, I think that it’s clear, I mean, people—there’s a parsing of Trump’s words in the mainstream media to determine if—is Trump a racist, or does he just make racist statements? And—</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> Or, I think they say, “Does he makes racial statements?”</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Right, yes, correct. And I think it shows how the discussion around what is racism in the United States has deteriorated, so that unless someone is declaring “I am a racist” or burning a cross, that everyone is loath or reluctant to identify what is painfully obvious. And so, I think that the Trump administration’s embrace of white supremacy is naked, and it’s obvious.</p>
<p>But I also think that we have to understand what the impetus for that is, because rarely in American history, especially when we’re talking about elected officials and the political establishment, is their racism just purely for the sake of racism, is it—that it’s just driven solely by vitriol. And so, I think that we have to understand the racism of Donald Trump and the sort of “alt-right” racism of the Republican Party, in general, in combination with their naked money grab, with the smash-and-grab operation of the tax cuts, of the efforts to really radically redistribute wealth from the bottom to the top, that they have set out on a course to basically explain away the conditions of and the—what I think is legitimate economic anxiety of ordinary white people, and say that it’s the Muslim, it’s the Mexican, and it’s the blacks. And now we can add to that, it’s the—you know, the countries of Africa, Haiti, El Salvador, who want to send their supposed refuse to our country, that is the reason why you are in the insecure condition that you are.</p>
<p>So, I think that we have to see those two things as linked, which is not to diminish the impact that racism has in this country, because, as I said earlier, that the weight of—the impact of the open embrace of white supremacy in this administration can be literally weighed and measured in the weight of the bodies of the people who have been killed by white supremacists in this country. I think there was a report out earlier this week that said white supremacists who have—deaths by white supremacists account for the largest number of deaths of so-called extreme groups in this country. And so, there is an impact that is being made by that, that has to be accounted for.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> You talk about—in the beginning of your book, <em>How We Get Free: Black Feminism and the Combahee River Collective</em>, you talk about: “In the days after the disastrous 2016 presidential election,”—I’m quoting you—”a popular meme showing [that] 94 percent of Black women voters had cast their ballot for Hillary Clinton was circulated as proof that Black women had done their part to keep Trump out of the White House.” Take it from there.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Well, I think that that was part of the narrative, but—that black women bore no responsibility for the Trump administration, which is obviously true, but I think that there was a larger story in there that really has been missed by a lot of the efforts to assign blame for the electoral rise of Trump. And for me, the more interesting part of the election was that 100 million people did not vote, that there are almost 240 eligible voters—240 million eligible voters in the United States, and almost 100 million people did not participate in an election that was discussed as the most consequential of our lifetime. And for me, the question was: What does that say about our political system?</p>
<p>And so, I think that that discussion got missed in talking about the level of electoral support for Hillary Clinton by black women, but also not looking at how the numbers of black women who participated in the election was actually down from 2012, the Obama election, which brought out historic numbers of people. And so, I think that understanding that 100 million people didn’t participate in the election is really critical to this ongoing debate about the state of the Democratic Party and whether or not the party is actually in a position to pose an alternative, a credible alternative, to the Republicans in 2018 and the looming 2020 election. And we cannot have a serious discussion about that without talking about the 100 million people who did not vote in the last election.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> What about this Quinnipiac poll that has just come out, talking about the overwhelming percentage of African Americans supporting Bernie Sanders?</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Well, I think that, hopefully, it begins to shift the very narrow discussion that the Sanders phenomenon was driven solely by the, quote-unquote, “Bernie bros,” that African Americans are not interested in socialism, African Americans are not interested in Bernie Sanders. In fact, this poll showed that Sanders had the highest favorability rating among African Americans, by a country mile compared to white people. I think it was 43 percent of whites had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, compared to 70 percent of African Americans and 55 percent of Latinos.</p>
<p>And I don’t think that this is a complicated question. Why is that? Because I think most people understand, black people understand, that if Sanders’ program, the things that Bernie Sanders advocated and argued for—the redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom, universal healthcare, a living wage, so on and so forth, the redistribution of resources, from the criminal justice system to the war machine, to public services and public institutions—that that would have an immediate impact in the lives of black people and in black communities, immediate positive impact. And people know that.</p>
<p>And so, I think that these are the kinds of facts and information that have to be wedded into the debate about what direction for the Democratic Party, because we also know, from the Democratic Party establishment, that there’s a war against the Sanders influence within the party. There was a purge of Sanders supporters within the Democratic National Committee. And so, there is going to be a reckoning in that party about what their—you know, what their actual direction is. And I think, for progressives, for the left, and certainly for radicals, that the ease with which people cave in to the decision to back various Democratic Party leaders take off the—or Democratic Party candidates, remove the pressure that is necessary to force that party to actually pay attention to the agenda of ordinary people from below. And that’s a calculus that has to shift in the coming—you know, in the coming elections.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> We’re going to break, then come back to this discussion. Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, assistant professor of African American studies at Princeton University, author of <em>From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation</em>, editor of a new collection of essays titled <em>How We Get Free: Black Feminism and the Combahee River Collective</em>. This is <em>Democracy Now!</em> Back with her in a moment.</p>
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<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> This is <em>Democracy Now!</em> I’m Amy Goodman, as we continue our conversation with our guest, Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, assistant professor of African American studies at Princeton University, out with a new book, <em>How We Get Free</em>. I’m sorry, because I had the sense from your sigh, Keeanga, you just heard that Julius Lester died.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> Yeah, I had no idea.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> I’m sorry to break that to you.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> It’s terrible, terrible news.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> <em>How We Get Free</em>, your book. If you could talk about who the Combahee River Collective is? And we’ll do a post-show after this, because we have to go longer than we have time for. But the whole issue of this radical women’s collective, really coining the term “identity politics,” taking on the issue of intersectionality, and this was 40 years ago.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> So, the Combahee River Collective was a group of black radical feminists that formed in 1974, that considered themselves to be a left split from an organization called the National Black Feminist Organization, which I think they would characterize as certainly to the left of mainstream white feminism, feminist organizations, but still not far enough to the left in terms of the Combahee’s focus on linking women’s oppression to capitalism, and linking the black women’s oppression to capitalism, but also, more importantly, I think, or of equal importance is, seeing that the liberation of black women was connected to a radical reconstruction of American society.</p>
<p>And so, the group formed in 1974 and really was active around issues of abortion rights, reproductive freedom, including campaigning against sterilization, taking up the struggle against domestic violence and against violence against women. They were based in Boston. And during this time, there was really a spate of violent attacks against black women. Black women were being killed, in cases that were going unresolved. And this really shaped the political world that they were active in.</p>
<p>In 1977, they produced a document, that is really foundational in the politics of radical black feminism, called “The Combahee River Collective Statement,” which really both theorized aspects of black women’s oppression, but also connected that to strategies that they believed would be central to ending it, both in terms of how to link the struggles that black women face to the struggles of other oppressed people, which they called “coalition building,” but also the need to have transformative, revolutionary, radical politics.</p>
<p>And so, I think that, you know, this is the 40th anniversary—or last year, 2017, was the 40th anniversary of the publication of the statement. And part of my motivation for doing this book, which is a republication of the statement itself and interviews with the three authors of the statement, was to really try to introduce both the politics and the practice and, really, the lives and experiences of these women to a new generation of activists.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> We just have 20 seconds, but what would you say their message is to them today?</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">KEEANGA</span>&#8211;<span class="caps">YAMAHTTA</span> <span class="caps">TAYLOR</span>:</strong> I think their message for them today is that it’s not enough just to identify the ways that black women are oppressed, but that it is important to synthesize that analysis with a plan of action. It is important to act, because that is the only way that black women will get free.</p>
<p><strong><span class="caps">AMY</span> <span class="caps">GOODMAN</span>:</strong> I want to thank you so much for being with us. And we’re going to do Part 2 of this discussion and post it online at democracynow.org. We’ll be broadcasting from the Sundance Film Festival, following the documentary track, all week next week. Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, assistant professor of African American studies at Princeton University. Her new book, <em>How We Get Free</em>.</p>
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