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<p>In this, the final episode of <em>Secret Feminist Agenda</em>, I sat down with <a href="https://zuroski.wordpress.com/">Eugenia Zuroski</a> to talk about hope, planifestos, collectivity, mentorship, and where we know from. As far as final conversations go, this one felt absolutely perfect. Here are some links! </p>



<ul><li>Learn more about Gena&#8217;s work on <a href="https://zuroski.wordpress.com/">her website</a>, by following her on <a href="https://twitter.com/zugenia">Twitter</a>, and by checking out her <a href="https://www.mixcloud.com/zugenia/">Mixcloud</a>!</li><li>The Grace Lavery comments I referenced were shared <a href="https://twitter.com/graceelavery/status/1329913837982785536?s=20">on Twitter</a> and her book is called <em><a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691183626/quaint-exquisite">Quaint, Exquisite: Victorian Aesthetics and the Idea of Japan</a></em>. </li><li>For more on hope and its appropriation by liberal discourses, you might want to revisit <a href="https://secretfeministagenda.com/2020/02/07/episode-4-13-empathy-fatigue-hopepunk/">the episode on Hopepunk</a></li><li>We talked about <a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/31/16070822/reclaiming-my-time-maxine-waters-mnuchin-meme">reclaiming your time</a> which prompts me to re-share this piece by Tressie McMillan Cottom on&nbsp;<a href="https://tressiemcphd.medium.com/one-thing-about-being-a-macarthur-fellow-pisses-me-off-6f82396af56c">race and the politics of (wasting) time</a>.</li><li>My reference to turning routines into rituals came from Kook Teflon (via Zena Sharman), from <a href="https://bespokenbones.libsyn.com/episode-62-doing-the-old-time-spirit-work">episode 62 of the <em>Bespoken Bones Podcast</em></a><em>. </em></li><li>For more on the exhausting embodied labour of diversity work, especially within universities, check out <a href="https://www.dukeupress.edu/on-being-included">Sara Ahmed&#8217;s <em>On Being Included</em></a>. </li><li>On the topic of collective models of organizing, Gena mentioned <a href="https://bigger6romantix.squarespace.com/">The Bigger 6 Collective</a> and the <a href="http://v21collective.org/">V21 Collective</a>. I was also reminded of the vital work of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combahee_River_Collective">Combahee River Collective</a>. </li><li>This piece is a few years old but still pertinent: <a href="https://www.nature.com/news/the-digital-native-is-a-myth-1.22363">&#8220;The digital native is a myth&#8221; </a></li><li>The Netflix documentary I alluded to is <em><a href="https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81254224">The Social Dilemma</a></em>. </li><li>The scholars Gena cited in relation to her exercise, <a href="https://maifeminism.com/where-do-you-know-from-an-exercise-in-placing-ourselves-together-in-the-classroom/">&#8216;Where Do You Know From?&#8217;</a>, include <a href="http://www.evetuck.com/">Eve Tuck</a>, <a href="https://www.minellemahtani.com/">Minelle Mahtani</a>, and <a href="http://katherinemckittrick.com/">Katherine McKittrick</a>. </li><li>The John Locke theory Gena mentioned is <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_rasa">tabula rasa</a></em>; the application of the &#8220;blanket slate&#8221; idea into colonialism and theft of land is <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius#:~:text=Terra%20nullius%20(%2F%CB%88t%C9%9B,a%20state's%20occupation%20of%20it.">terra nullius</a></em>. </li></ul>



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<p>The podcast theme song is “Mesh Shirt” by Mom Jeans off their album “Chub Rub.” Listen to the whole album&nbsp;<a href="http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Mom_Jeans/Chub_Rub/">here</a>&nbsp;or learn more about them&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/queasy.lover/">here</a>.&nbsp;Gena&#8217;s theme song was <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQyazt4RDTM">&#8220;Head Over Heels&#8221; by the The Go-Go&#8217;s</a>. </p>



<p>Secret Feminist Agenda is recorded and produced by&nbsp;<a href="https://twitter.com/hkpmcgregor">Hannah McGregor</a>&nbsp;on the traditional and unceded territories of the&nbsp;Squamish, Musqueam, and Tsleil-Waututh First Nations.</p>
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