<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><oembed><version><![CDATA[1.0]]></version><provider_name><![CDATA[Faith and Wisdom in Science]]></provider_name><provider_url><![CDATA[https://tcbmcleish.wordpress.com]]></provider_url><author_name><![CDATA[tcbmcleish]]></author_name><author_url><![CDATA[https://tcbmcleish.wordpress.com/author/tcbmcleish/]]></author_url><title><![CDATA[Does the Size of the Universe Prove God Doesn’t&nbsp;Exist?]]></title><type><![CDATA[link]]></type><html><![CDATA[<p><img loading="lazy" data-attachment-id="4" data-permalink="https://tcbmcleish.wordpress.com/2015/05/02/can-science-be-more-like-music-an-experiment-with-light-and-song/fawis_450-2/" data-orig-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/fawis_4501.jpg" data-orig-size="286,450" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="FaWis_450" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/fawis_4501.jpg?w=191" data-large-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/fawis_4501.jpg?w=286" class="  wp-image-4 alignleft" src="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/fawis_4501.jpg?w=100&#038;h=157" alt="FaWis_450" width="100" height="157" srcset="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/fawis_4501.jpg?w=100&amp;h=157 100w, https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/fawis_4501.jpg?w=200&amp;h=314 200w, https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/fawis_4501.jpg?w=95&amp;h=150 95w" sizes="(max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px" />A good colleague of mine at my University of Durham&#8217;s philosophy department, Dr. Emily Thomas, recently posted a <a href="https://theconversation.com/does-the-size-of-the-universe-prove-god-doesnt-exist-86645">short essay </a>with this title on the (wonderful) academic multi-disciplinary blogsite <a href="https://theconversation.com/uk">TheConversation</a>. It&#8217;s had a great number of readers, one of whom was me. I like most of what Emily writes, but this time, as she knows, I had a rather strong negative reaction! So I thought I would write a little about this question on the <i>Faith and Wisdom in Science</i> blog, as it is clearly important for a good number of people.</p>
<div data-shortcode="caption" id="attachment_221" style="width: 634px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-221" data-attachment-id="221" data-permalink="https://tcbmcleish.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/a-christian-voice-to-the-question-what-is-science-for/eagle-dark-matter/" data-orig-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/eagle-dark-matter.jpg" data-orig-size="624,351" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="Eagle Dark matter" data-image-description="&lt;p&gt;The Eagle Dark Matter simulation &#8211; courtesy Durham University Institute of Computational Cosmology&lt;/p&gt;
" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/eagle-dark-matter.jpg?w=300" data-large-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/eagle-dark-matter.jpg?w=624" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-221" src="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/eagle-dark-matter.jpg?w=624&#038;h=351" alt="Eagle Dark matter" width="624" height="351" srcset="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/eagle-dark-matter.jpg 624w, https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/eagle-dark-matter.jpg?w=150&amp;h=84 150w, https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/eagle-dark-matter.jpg?w=300&amp;h=169 300w" sizes="(max-width: 624px) 100vw, 624px" /><p id="caption-attachment-221" class="wp-caption-text">A massive computer simulation of the cosmic web of Dark Matter, Gas and Galaxies from the <a href="http://icc.dur.ac.uk/Eagle/">Eagle Project</a> 300 million light years across- itself only a 30th of the diameter of the observable universe</p></div>
<p>Here is the short version:</p>
<ul>
<li>Yes the Universe is &#8216;mind-bogglingly big&#8217; (thanks <a href="http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33085.html">Douglas Adams)</a> on the scale of the human being (see image and caption above)</li>
</ul>
<p>but</p>
<ul>
<li>No, that does NOT imply in any way that the &#8216;Christian God&#8217; is less likely to exist</li>
</ul>
<p>because</p>
<ul>
<li>The argument confuses the two distinct categories of scale and significance (the old &#8216;size matters&#8217; problem)</li>
</ul>
<p>and</p>
<ul>
<li>Is, as typical of arguments from philosophers and scientists today that they believe impact on Christian theology, based on a level of triviality of theological learning and sophistication that makes me blush to read it.</li>
</ul>
<p>So, just a little more on that.  The confusion of scale and significance is an easy one to make &#8211; we are overawed by size, vastness, immensity. Of course we are. But that is a visceral reaction not a cognitive one.  I hesitate to illustrate the point, but we do not ascribe a greater significance to a mountain than to a human baby simply because the first is 7 orders of magnitude larger than the second.  One of the special abilities that humans have is to identify meaning and significance, and to associate that with narrative place and relationship.</p>
<p>To take a more cosmological example, we do not know how common life is in the universe (yes Drake equation, Fermi and all that &#8211; another time perhaps &#8211; but we really have no idea because we don&#8217;t yet have a process for the origin of life).  We might be alone or the galaxy might be teeming with life.  But whichever of those turns out to be the case, the microscopic and special event or events that start a tree of life on its way are extraordinarily significant, yet vanishingly tiny in time and space, compared with the 13 billion years, and light years of the cosmic <em>T</em> and <em>R</em>. Another vital point rides on this &#8211; namely that in order to have had enough time to manufacture heavy elements in the first generation of stars since the Big Bang, and to evolve a second generation of stars, planets and life since then actually <em>requires</em> a universe the size of ours.  So the length scale of the cosmos and the human scale are physically and causally related, it turns out.</p>
<p>Thirdly, those who take the line that the largeness of the universe rules out a theology of specificity have forgotten that even our notion of scale ordering is conventional.  Physicists, mathematicians, chemists and molecular biologists are used to thinking in &#8216;reciprocal space&#8217;.  Its the space in which the diffraction patterns of molecular structure dwell, the realm of the Fourier transforms, of the photon fields in theoretical physics.</p>
<div data-shortcode="caption" id="attachment_1409" style="width: 378px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1409" data-attachment-id="1409" data-permalink="https://tcbmcleish.wordpress.com/2017/12/03/does-the-size-of-the-universe-prove-god-doesnt-exist/bgc483icmaazq21/" data-orig-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/bgc483icmaazq21.jpg" data-orig-size="599,772" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="BGc483iCMAAZq21" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/bgc483icmaazq21.jpg?w=233" data-large-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/bgc483icmaazq21.jpg?w=599" class="  wp-image-1409 aligncenter" src="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/bgc483icmaazq21.jpg?w=368&#038;h=474" alt="BGc483iCMAAZq21" width="368" height="474" srcset="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/bgc483icmaazq21.jpg?w=368&amp;h=474 368w, https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/bgc483icmaazq21.jpg?w=116&amp;h=150 116w, https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/bgc483icmaazq21.jpg?w=233&amp;h=300 233w, https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/bgc483icmaazq21.jpg 599w" sizes="(max-width: 368px) 100vw, 368px" /><p id="caption-attachment-1409" class="wp-caption-text">X-ray diffraction pattern of Beryl in reciprocal space (<a href="https://twitter.com/Protoecologics">Bruno Juricic</a>)</p></div>
<p>The figure shows an example.  The point is that descriptions of reality can be made either in &#8216;real space&#8217; <em>or</em> reciprocal space, in which the information on large objects is held in <em>small</em> places, and vice versa.  In many ways, physics looks more natural in this space.  If we were to apply the &#8216;large matters&#8217; mantra in a view of the world through reciprocal space, then we would be led to favour the small, the detailed, over the large.  Of course I am not advocating that automatically any more than its opposite, merely pointing out that the ascription of large or small numbers to objects in the world is conventional, so cannot carry any philosophical weight at all.</p>
<p>Finally we need to do out theology just a little better.  Yes of course there is a strong strand of the particular and special in Judeo-Christianity.  Israel, Moses, election, &#8230; and supremely the incarnation.  But that is not the only strand.  From the oldest texts there is alongside this an decentralising narrative as well.  Readers of this blog will at this point not be surprised that we are going to go to the <em>Book of Job </em>for a reminder of the warning not to be exclusively anthropocentric about the world.  For the pinnacle of Yahweh&#8217;s creation as displayed to Job in the &#8216;Lord&#8217;s Answer&#8217; is <em>not</em> the human, but the sublime and &#8216;other&#8217; creatures of Leviathan and Behemoth (from Job chapter 40):</p>
<p><em><span id="en-NIV-13880" class="text Job-40-15"><span id="en-NIV-13881" class="text Job-40-16"><sup class="versenum">15</sup></span>“Look at Behemoth,</span><span class="indent-1"><span class="indent-1-breaks"> </span><span class="text Job-40-15">which I made along with you</span></span><span class="indent-1"><span class="indent-1-breaks">  </span><span class="text Job-40-15">and which feeds on grass like an ox.</span></span><span id="en-NIV-13881" class="text Job-40-16"><sup class="versenum">16 </sup>What strength it has in its loins,</span><span class="indent-1"><span class="indent-1-breaks">  </span><span class="text Job-40-16">what power in the muscles of its belly!</span></span><span id="en-NIV-13882" class="text Job-40-17"><sup class="versenum">17 </sup>Its tail sways like a cedar;</span><span class="indent-1"><span class="indent-1-breaks">  </span><span class="text Job-40-17">the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.</span></span><span id="en-NIV-13883" class="text Job-40-18"><sup class="versenum">18 </sup>Its bones are tubes of bronze,</span><span class="indent-1"><span class="indent-1-breaks">    </span><span class="text Job-40-18">its limbs like rods of iron.</span></span><span id="en-NIV-13884" class="text Job-40-19"><sup class="versenum">19 </sup>It ranks first among the works of God,</span><span class="indent-1"><span class="indent-1-breaks"> </span><span class="text Job-40-19">yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.</span></span></em></p>
<p>Even the later and highly-developed Genesis 1 creation narrative does not stop with humankind, but reaches its climax with the Sabbath, God&#8217;s rest, where He is central.  Jesus takes up the non-anthropocentric theme at several points in the Gospel narrative.  It&#8217;s not &#8216;all about us&#8217;.  A number of theologians have explored this theme &#8211; Christopher Southgate&#8217;s book <i><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Groaning-Creation-Evolution-Problem-Evil/dp/0664230903/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1253063458&amp;sr=8-1">The Groaning of Creation </a></i>is a good starting point for a discussion that goes back to Aquinas and further.</p>
<p>So in conclusion, the findings of modern cosmology turn out to balance the place and significance of humans in much the same way that the Judeo-Christian narrative does.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the size, it&#8217;s what you do that matters, and who you are.</p>
<div data-shortcode="caption" id="attachment_63" style="width: 610px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-63" data-attachment-id="63" data-permalink="https://tcbmcleish.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/talking-and-not-talking-about-god-in-faith-and-wisdom-in-science/the-lord-answering-job-out-of-the-whirlwind-blake/" data-orig-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-lord-answering-job-out-of-the-whirlwind-blake.jpg" data-orig-size="600,516" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}" data-image-title="The-Lord-Answering-Job-out-of-the-Whirlwind-Blake" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="&lt;p&gt;The Lord Answering job out of the Whirlwind by William Blake&lt;/p&gt;
" data-medium-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-lord-answering-job-out-of-the-whirlwind-blake.jpg?w=300" data-large-file="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-lord-answering-job-out-of-the-whirlwind-blake.jpg?w=600" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-63" src="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-lord-answering-job-out-of-the-whirlwind-blake.jpg?w=600&#038;h=516" alt="The-Lord-Answering-Job-out-of-the-Whirlwind-Blake" width="600" height="516" srcset="https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-lord-answering-job-out-of-the-whirlwind-blake.jpg 600w, https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-lord-answering-job-out-of-the-whirlwind-blake.jpg?w=150&amp;h=129 150w, https://tcbmcleish.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-lord-answering-job-out-of-the-whirlwind-blake.jpg?w=300&amp;h=258 300w" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px" /><p id="caption-attachment-63" class="wp-caption-text">The Lord Answering job out of the Whirlwind by William Blake</p></div>
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