<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><oembed><version><![CDATA[1.0]]></version><provider_name><![CDATA[the commune]]></provider_name><provider_url><![CDATA[https://thecommune.wordpress.com]]></provider_url><author_name><![CDATA[internationalcommunist]]></author_name><author_url><![CDATA[https://thecommune.wordpress.com/author/internationalcommunist/]]></author_url><title><![CDATA[manchester class struggle forum, 29th&nbsp;april]]></title><type><![CDATA[link]]></type><html><![CDATA[<p>The third Manchester Class Struggle Forum will host a discussion on national liberation and internationalism, with a lead off from the World Revolution group.</p>
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<p>From the IRA, MPLA and the Viet Minh, to Hezbollah, Hamas and the Tamil Tigers. All these anti-working class groups received support from a number of leftist in the 20th and 21st Centuries. This is not a new phenomenon, at the outbreak of the First World War all members of the &#8216;Second International&#8217; apart from The Bolsheviks lined up in support of their respective national bourgeoisie.</p>
<p>Is it right for communists to support national liberation struggles, however critically? Did not Marx and Engels support national liberation? Was it ever correct historically to support national liberation?<!--more--></p>
<p>Please come and discuss the national question with us.</p>
<p>To best prepare yourself for the debate we suggest you read the following two pamphlets.</p>
<p>Nation or Class by the ICC &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.internationalism.org/pamphlets/nationorclass/" target="_blank">http://en.internationalism.org/pamphlets/nationorclass/</a></p>
<p>Against Nationalism by AF &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://libcom.org/library/against-nationalism" target="_blank">http://libcom.org/library/against-nationalism</a></p>
<p>If you would like to read more, Lenin and Luxemburg famously exchanged polemics on this matter.</p>
<p>Lenin: The Right of Nations to Self-Determination (1914)<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Luxemburg: The National Question (1909) <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1909/national-question/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1909/national-question/index.htm</a></p>
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